Question:
Hi Lori,
Since I am still currently in college, the only jobs I have had have all been part time. I have been flight instructing over the last year and that is the only work experience I put on my resume. Should I include the other jobs?
Thanks for any input!
Answer:
Yes, absolutely you want to list the other jobs. While the flight instructing job is valuable - at this point probably the most valuable - the other jobs also have merit.
Listing your other positions will show a future employer that you are employable and responsible.
You don't need to venture into any jobs you held in high school, unless you feel those jobs will promote your strengths.
Hope that helps!
Lori
Regards,
Lori Clark
Wednesday, May 28, 2008
Saturday, May 24, 2008
Should I rent a sim for an interview?
Question:
I have a 121 interview in a few weeks, but I haven't flown in two years. Should I rent a motion simulator and do some airwork and approaches so I can say I've at least done that?
Answer:
In recent past the regionals have struggled with hiring enough pilots to fill their rosters so if you have the minimums they may bring you in for the interview to evaluate "where the land lies"... if you will.
It is tough, if not impossible to gauge the quality of the applicant on paper alone. One of the rules of thumb that many regionals used to screen candidates was 100 hours logged in the last six months.
Having said that, if you haven't flown in two years then currency is of utmost importance, but proficiency is equally as important.
The airline will want you to be current, at the very least. But it's not just about the interview alone. You may be very sharp technically, but demonstrating it could be a different animal.
My advice is an emphatic "yes" you want to get some time in a sim - bring yourself back into currency at the very least. If the airline has a sim evaluation section of the interview then you will want to be ready.
The other side of the coin, which often times is not considered in advance, is that you will also want to be ready for training. Keep in mind that the interviewers are not just evaluating whether you would be a good fit for the company, but whether or not they feel you will pass their training program. Here's where proficiency enters. You might pass the interview, but how will you fare in training? If you haven't flown in two years I recommend an Instrument Proficiency Check or an IFR Refresher course. Knock off some of the dust that has been collecting over the past two years and get yourself ready - Failing training is much worse than failing the interview.
Good Luck with your interview!!
Regards,
Lori Clark
I have a 121 interview in a few weeks, but I haven't flown in two years. Should I rent a motion simulator and do some airwork and approaches so I can say I've at least done that?
Answer:
In recent past the regionals have struggled with hiring enough pilots to fill their rosters so if you have the minimums they may bring you in for the interview to evaluate "where the land lies"... if you will.
It is tough, if not impossible to gauge the quality of the applicant on paper alone. One of the rules of thumb that many regionals used to screen candidates was 100 hours logged in the last six months.
Having said that, if you haven't flown in two years then currency is of utmost importance, but proficiency is equally as important.
The airline will want you to be current, at the very least. But it's not just about the interview alone. You may be very sharp technically, but demonstrating it could be a different animal.
My advice is an emphatic "yes" you want to get some time in a sim - bring yourself back into currency at the very least. If the airline has a sim evaluation section of the interview then you will want to be ready.
The other side of the coin, which often times is not considered in advance, is that you will also want to be ready for training. Keep in mind that the interviewers are not just evaluating whether you would be a good fit for the company, but whether or not they feel you will pass their training program. Here's where proficiency enters. You might pass the interview, but how will you fare in training? If you haven't flown in two years I recommend an Instrument Proficiency Check or an IFR Refresher course. Knock off some of the dust that has been collecting over the past two years and get yourself ready - Failing training is much worse than failing the interview.
Good Luck with your interview!!
Regards,
Lori Clark
Monday, May 19, 2008
Family invited to pilot husband's interview
Question:
I am just wondering how common it is for the wife and kids to be asked to an interview. I have been with my husband to one of his interviews. They paid both our expenses too. It was a very nice experience.
My husband is now interviewing for a new job and they asked for the whole family to come. I am worried about one of my boys and what the CP will think when he meets him. My son is special needs. I just don't want the impression that my husband cannot handle the job because he has a disabled child.
Do you think there is a way we can bow out graciously and my husband still get the job? Or is this one of those we should do for my husband to show we are supportive of his career?
I just don't want to cost him a job because of our presence or our absence.
Answer:
Well, I have thought long and hard about your “situation,” and there are a couple of ways you can approach this. Both ways are perfectly valid, but maybe I can provide a little different perspective.
First, you can approach it from the “legal” standpoint and be suspect of the motivation of the company. However, along with this approach comes an air of superficiality from you. This includes coming across as the “Beaver Cleaver” family, complete with the picket fence, football captains, cheerleaders, Olympic athletes and rocket scientists. The legality of actually “interviewing” you and your family could come under question. After all, it’s your husband who is actually going to be performing the work – Why would they have to know what makes his family tick? But honestly, is it worth the worry?
A different approach, and one I encourage you to take, is one of welcoming the rare opportunity that you are being invited to participate in. Thirty years ago it was commonplace for airlines and aviation companies to invite the family to the headquarters for as much as a week in order to experience where the pilot of the family would be working. It ended up being a win-win situation, whereby the company was given the opportunity to “win over” the family, creating a situation where the family was completely on board with the employment opportunity being offered. Simultaneously, the company was able to gain real insight about the family dynamic that exists within applicant.
With changing economic times, a lot of the focus on the pilot being part of a bigger family (not just the pilot’s spouse and children) has gone by the wayside, and the phenomenon of the “aviation widow” has become more and more prevalent. I have to wonder if this company is trying to change that trend.
The opportunity you have to show off what a caring and warm family you have is a rare one, an opportunity that should be maximized. This appears to be a company that definitely goes above and beyond – imagine the expense and time involved in flying every applicant’s family out for a familiarization process! What a fantastic opportunity to let the “real you” shine. Your son with special needs is absolutely, unequivocally something to be proud of, and your absolute patience and support for your entire family is something you should hold your head high about, and make sure they see the authentic, caring and compassionate parents that you are. Nobody is perfect, and this company, like so many others, is looking to see the whole candidate. The difference between them and so many other companies is they appear to take an interest in the candidate’s family as well. That is unique.
Remember – you and your husband are interviewing the company, just as much as the company is interviewing you and your husband. They want to see exactly what you already offer.
It is truly anybody’s guess as to the motivation of the invitation. But, knowing that the ultimate objective of any company is to obtain a solid return on investment from each employee they hire, I would embrace the invitation to show them your family’s devotion to your husband’s career and in the end the company’s success. Have fun with it, don’t be suspicious about it, and let them see all that you are.
Regards,
Lori Clark
I am just wondering how common it is for the wife and kids to be asked to an interview. I have been with my husband to one of his interviews. They paid both our expenses too. It was a very nice experience.
My husband is now interviewing for a new job and they asked for the whole family to come. I am worried about one of my boys and what the CP will think when he meets him. My son is special needs. I just don't want the impression that my husband cannot handle the job because he has a disabled child.
Do you think there is a way we can bow out graciously and my husband still get the job? Or is this one of those we should do for my husband to show we are supportive of his career?
I just don't want to cost him a job because of our presence or our absence.
Answer:
Well, I have thought long and hard about your “situation,” and there are a couple of ways you can approach this. Both ways are perfectly valid, but maybe I can provide a little different perspective.
First, you can approach it from the “legal” standpoint and be suspect of the motivation of the company. However, along with this approach comes an air of superficiality from you. This includes coming across as the “Beaver Cleaver” family, complete with the picket fence, football captains, cheerleaders, Olympic athletes and rocket scientists. The legality of actually “interviewing” you and your family could come under question. After all, it’s your husband who is actually going to be performing the work – Why would they have to know what makes his family tick? But honestly, is it worth the worry?
A different approach, and one I encourage you to take, is one of welcoming the rare opportunity that you are being invited to participate in. Thirty years ago it was commonplace for airlines and aviation companies to invite the family to the headquarters for as much as a week in order to experience where the pilot of the family would be working. It ended up being a win-win situation, whereby the company was given the opportunity to “win over” the family, creating a situation where the family was completely on board with the employment opportunity being offered. Simultaneously, the company was able to gain real insight about the family dynamic that exists within applicant.
With changing economic times, a lot of the focus on the pilot being part of a bigger family (not just the pilot’s spouse and children) has gone by the wayside, and the phenomenon of the “aviation widow” has become more and more prevalent. I have to wonder if this company is trying to change that trend.
The opportunity you have to show off what a caring and warm family you have is a rare one, an opportunity that should be maximized. This appears to be a company that definitely goes above and beyond – imagine the expense and time involved in flying every applicant’s family out for a familiarization process! What a fantastic opportunity to let the “real you” shine. Your son with special needs is absolutely, unequivocally something to be proud of, and your absolute patience and support for your entire family is something you should hold your head high about, and make sure they see the authentic, caring and compassionate parents that you are. Nobody is perfect, and this company, like so many others, is looking to see the whole candidate. The difference between them and so many other companies is they appear to take an interest in the candidate’s family as well. That is unique.
Remember – you and your husband are interviewing the company, just as much as the company is interviewing you and your husband. They want to see exactly what you already offer.
It is truly anybody’s guess as to the motivation of the invitation. But, knowing that the ultimate objective of any company is to obtain a solid return on investment from each employee they hire, I would embrace the invitation to show them your family’s devotion to your husband’s career and in the end the company’s success. Have fun with it, don’t be suspicious about it, and let them see all that you are.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Should I take out a loan to pay for flight training?
Question:
As you know, the cost of flight school is quite expensive. Do you think pulling out a 40-60k loan would be wise considering that in the beginning of their careers pilots get paid very little. If pulling out such a loan isn't feasible what are my options in paying for school.
Answer:
Most advanced educations cost money, whether it is an education from a university (Doctorate, Masters) or advanced technical training from a medical school or flight school. The question thus becomes: will you reap the rewards of such education? Unfortunately, only you can answer that question.
Much like doctors, pilots start their career earning very little and continue to earn very little for quite some time. It is a “back loaded” career. so you must be prepared to hike the road of Top Ramen and Star-Kist Tuna before you feel like you have “arrived.”
Let’s face it, since deregulation people don’t fly for the money. They fly for the passion, the drive, the love and joy of actually piloting an aircraft. With this in mind, I ask you; why do you want to be a pilot?
If you truly desire to become a pilot and are faced with financing difficulties, I advise you to take the time to visit an aeronautical university. They have financial aid offices that are equipped to help you find the money. Some schools will also hire you as an instructor, or otherwise, to help pay for your education. You are going to have to pick up the phone and ask.
Wishing you the best in your endeavors...
Regards,
Lori Clark
As you know, the cost of flight school is quite expensive. Do you think pulling out a 40-60k loan would be wise considering that in the beginning of their careers pilots get paid very little. If pulling out such a loan isn't feasible what are my options in paying for school.
Answer:
Most advanced educations cost money, whether it is an education from a university (Doctorate, Masters) or advanced technical training from a medical school or flight school. The question thus becomes: will you reap the rewards of such education? Unfortunately, only you can answer that question.
Much like doctors, pilots start their career earning very little and continue to earn very little for quite some time. It is a “back loaded” career. so you must be prepared to hike the road of Top Ramen and Star-Kist Tuna before you feel like you have “arrived.”
Let’s face it, since deregulation people don’t fly for the money. They fly for the passion, the drive, the love and joy of actually piloting an aircraft. With this in mind, I ask you; why do you want to be a pilot?
If you truly desire to become a pilot and are faced with financing difficulties, I advise you to take the time to visit an aeronautical university. They have financial aid offices that are equipped to help you find the money. Some schools will also hire you as an instructor, or otherwise, to help pay for your education. You are going to have to pick up the phone and ask.
Wishing you the best in your endeavors...
Regards,
Lori Clark
Thursday, May 8, 2008
Silver State Helicopters
Just this morning I was talking with another aviation friend who informed me of another aviation casualty. Silver State Helicopters filed chapter 7 on February 7th of this year. Apparently, there was no notification to students and/or staff.
If you were a student of Silver State Helicopters there may be some recourse for you. A class action suit has been filed and if you haven't already, I recommend you contact the attorney leading the charge - Michael Berger in Los Angeles. Mr. Berger's firm can be contacted through one of the links listed below.
I wish each of you affected by this action the very best.
http://www.tcvsystems.com/HeloPilots
http://www.silverstatehelicoptersbankruptcy.com
http://postflightinspection.com
Regards,
Lori Clark
If you were a student of Silver State Helicopters there may be some recourse for you. A class action suit has been filed and if you haven't already, I recommend you contact the attorney leading the charge - Michael Berger in Los Angeles. Mr. Berger's firm can be contacted through one of the links listed below.
I wish each of you affected by this action the very best.
http://www.tcvsystems.com/HeloPilots
http://www.silverstatehelicoptersbankruptcy.com
http://postflightinspection.com
Regards,
Lori Clark
Wednesday, May 7, 2008
Explaining the lack of longevity with an employer
Question:
I have been with my current airline for 11 months. I have a chance to make some good money overseas with another airline. In the interview (overseas) how do you answer the question "why are you leaving your present company only after such a short time"? And not sound like your a gypsy and like to change jobs and more importantly sound greedy because really deep down the money is the answer? Thanks for your input. This is the only question I fear.
Answer:
While I completely understand the temptation of making a lot of money in a very short amount of time, you need to weigh everything before making a decision. Please bear in mind that the question you are concerned about with this overseas airline will come up again in future interviews.
Airlines are concerned with patterns. And they are no different than every single other company on the face of this Earth - they want to know you want to work for them. It's really very simple, they want a good return on their investment.
My best advice is to be honest. If you try to fabricate some excuse it will come across that way. Does this new company have any other good points?
Hope this helps
Regards,
Lori Clark
I have been with my current airline for 11 months. I have a chance to make some good money overseas with another airline. In the interview (overseas) how do you answer the question "why are you leaving your present company only after such a short time"? And not sound like your a gypsy and like to change jobs and more importantly sound greedy because really deep down the money is the answer? Thanks for your input. This is the only question I fear.
Answer:
While I completely understand the temptation of making a lot of money in a very short amount of time, you need to weigh everything before making a decision. Please bear in mind that the question you are concerned about with this overseas airline will come up again in future interviews.
Airlines are concerned with patterns. And they are no different than every single other company on the face of this Earth - they want to know you want to work for them. It's really very simple, they want a good return on their investment.
My best advice is to be honest. If you try to fabricate some excuse it will come across that way. Does this new company have any other good points?
Hope this helps
Regards,
Lori Clark
Friday, April 25, 2008
Most "memorable" pilot interview
Question:
Hi Lori-
What's your most "memorable" interview? Good or bad...
Thanks-
Answer:
Your question made me smile - thanks!
Wow - I've done so many interviews that they really seem to run together. I would have to say that when I reflect back over the years that I tend to generalize, or compartmentalize if you will, instead of remembering individuals.
Having said that, there are a couple of things that stick out. I do remember key "things" about individuals such as those "off the wall" felony convictions (they always astound me) or the fun interviews. Usually the fun interviews are because we, the interviewers, made them fun. [I do not advise that the candidate try to interject fun into an interview.]
For example, we had a candy dish sitting on the table full of colored candies. I loved to "mess" with people and line up three different colored candies on the table and then ask the candidate to choose one....before we began the interview. The reactions were priceless. The candidate would get wide-eyes and study the colors and our faces before picking one. They would choose, hand it to one of us with the most puzzled look. We would say thank you and then move right into the interview. Most people would ask at a later date what that was all about and which color meant what. Of course it meant absolutely nothing except to give us a chuckle.
Thanks for the smile... and the memory reflection. :)
Regards,
Lori Clark
Hi Lori-
What's your most "memorable" interview? Good or bad...
Thanks-
Answer:
Your question made me smile - thanks!
Wow - I've done so many interviews that they really seem to run together. I would have to say that when I reflect back over the years that I tend to generalize, or compartmentalize if you will, instead of remembering individuals.
Having said that, there are a couple of things that stick out. I do remember key "things" about individuals such as those "off the wall" felony convictions (they always astound me) or the fun interviews. Usually the fun interviews are because we, the interviewers, made them fun. [I do not advise that the candidate try to interject fun into an interview.]
For example, we had a candy dish sitting on the table full of colored candies. I loved to "mess" with people and line up three different colored candies on the table and then ask the candidate to choose one....before we began the interview. The reactions were priceless. The candidate would get wide-eyes and study the colors and our faces before picking one. They would choose, hand it to one of us with the most puzzled look. We would say thank you and then move right into the interview. Most people would ask at a later date what that was all about and which color meant what. Of course it meant absolutely nothing except to give us a chuckle.
Thanks for the smile... and the memory reflection. :)
Regards,
Lori Clark
Thursday, April 24, 2008
How do I prepare early?
Question:
I may have an interview coming up in the future, how should I start preparing early?
Answer:
There are several books which can be quite helpful -
Look to the right --->
in "My Study Picks."
I recommend using the gouge too. BUT…. As you read the gouge do not pay attention to what they write as “the answer.” do yourself that favor – it will only hurt you in the long run.
Read up on your airlines of choice. Get to know who they are and what direction they are headed in the future. Also do your due diligence on your own background. Order your airman record from OK city, get your training records from your current airline, driving records, NDR, etc. know what is in your own background.
Regards,
Lori Clark
I may have an interview coming up in the future, how should I start preparing early?
Answer:
There are several books which can be quite helpful -
Look to the right --->
in "My Study Picks."
I recommend using the gouge too. BUT…. As you read the gouge do not pay attention to what they write as “the answer.” do yourself that favor – it will only hurt you in the long run.
Read up on your airlines of choice. Get to know who they are and what direction they are headed in the future. Also do your due diligence on your own background. Order your airman record from OK city, get your training records from your current airline, driving records, NDR, etc. know what is in your own background.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Why do I need to prepare if nobody is hiring?
Question:
Without trying to sound cynical here, is anyone interviewing now and in the near future? From what I read on these boards (so it must be true), the hiring wave seems to be over. Honest question.
Answer:
Actually, that is a good question.
The airlines are cyclical with regard to pilot hiring, this is nothing new. Time of year certainly plays a part in the ebb and flow of hiring. And with the current economic state and fuel prices soaring, I personally hope they are streamlining their processes and therefore expenditure for conducting interviews. Frankly, this means a more competitive market in the near term. Yes, there are still airlines hiring – perhaps not the ones that pop into your head immediately – but foreign carriers such as Emirates are not suffering the same economic pinch as US carriers. Other carriers outside the 121 realm, like NetJets, are continuing to hire as well.
Why do people wait for the airlines to open the hiring flood-gates before they begin preparing? This doesn’t necessarily mean to visit a consultant right away, but rather to get your ducks in a row. If you are ready to make a career move then take advantage of the slow time and start getting prepared. Order your airman record from OK City, order your NDR, update your logbook, review your logbook (for possible stories, etc), start making notes about the airlines that interest you. Be ready for that phone call.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Without trying to sound cynical here, is anyone interviewing now and in the near future? From what I read on these boards (so it must be true), the hiring wave seems to be over. Honest question.
Answer:
Actually, that is a good question.
The airlines are cyclical with regard to pilot hiring, this is nothing new. Time of year certainly plays a part in the ebb and flow of hiring. And with the current economic state and fuel prices soaring, I personally hope they are streamlining their processes and therefore expenditure for conducting interviews. Frankly, this means a more competitive market in the near term. Yes, there are still airlines hiring – perhaps not the ones that pop into your head immediately – but foreign carriers such as Emirates are not suffering the same economic pinch as US carriers. Other carriers outside the 121 realm, like NetJets, are continuing to hire as well.
Why do people wait for the airlines to open the hiring flood-gates before they begin preparing? This doesn’t necessarily mean to visit a consultant right away, but rather to get your ducks in a row. If you are ready to make a career move then take advantage of the slow time and start getting prepared. Order your airman record from OK City, order your NDR, update your logbook, review your logbook (for possible stories, etc), start making notes about the airlines that interest you. Be ready for that phone call.
Regards,
Lori Clark
What is the biggest weakness of a candidate?
Question:
Lori, what's the biggest weakness you see in a typical applicant's interviewing style in terms of things they say or perhaps fail to mention during an interview. Do they tell too much about themselves? Or do they generally not tell enough? Is there a particular quality that interviewers want to see that tends to be missing in some people? We hear that even UPS will occasionally hire someone they feel good about, despite that person's lack of large airliner experience. This would seem to indicate the interview is critical.
Answer:
Weaknesses are as varied as personalities. Let me take your question one piece at a time…
Style indicates repetitiveness…let’s hope this isn’t the case with an applicant. :)
It is really more about delivery. People are so wrapped up in being well received that they forget to communicate. So what happens is that although you know what you are trying to say it isn’t always interpreted the way you mean. The expression “that’s not what I meant” comes to mind.
Generally there are two types of delivery from a candidate:
1. The person so relaxed that he/she shares too much.
2. The person so nervous, guarded or self-critical that he/she doesn’t share enough.
Both are commonplace, with emphasis however on the latter. Most people don’t share enough detail for clear communication. Interviewers are trying to determine what kind of person you are and how you resolve situations. Effective communication becomes vital.
A particular quality that tends to be missing. Hmmm. Well, it’s not about one particular quality so much as it is about who you are as a whole. Interviewers must feel like they have really gotten to know you. They need to feel as if they have a solid understanding of how you think and what type of team player you are. That can be a tall order in a 20-minute interview. Keep in mind that the interview is about YOU, not them. As we prepare for interviews we tend to lose sight of that fact. We become so concerned with “what the interviewers want to hear” that we forget they NEED to see the real person.
One characteristic that will shoot you down every time is attitude. If you are perceived with a bad-attitude then the interviewers will pass…they don’t want to expose their entire labor group to a bad-seed. Keep in mind the old adage: “I can teach you to fly my airplane, but I can’t teach you a personality.”
In recent years airlines have, to their credit, zeroed in on the “core person” and their flying experience in relation to the job function. So, yes several airlines have hired folks who have requisite experience, not necessarily from a large airline, that is in alignment with the job they are hiring for. Majors have hired directly from turbo-prop operators and also those with no Turbine PIC.
We have long since forgotten, but airlines used to hire based on the core personality of the candidate only – regardless if they already knew how to fly. They would then teach them the skills for the job and a career was born.
Yes, interviews are critical, for both the airline and the candidate. Interviews are a big deal – they don’t come around every day, and the dream job is once in a blue moon. Effective communication is the number one element for a successful interview.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Lori, what's the biggest weakness you see in a typical applicant's interviewing style in terms of things they say or perhaps fail to mention during an interview. Do they tell too much about themselves? Or do they generally not tell enough? Is there a particular quality that interviewers want to see that tends to be missing in some people? We hear that even UPS will occasionally hire someone they feel good about, despite that person's lack of large airliner experience. This would seem to indicate the interview is critical.
Answer:
Weaknesses are as varied as personalities. Let me take your question one piece at a time…
Style indicates repetitiveness…let’s hope this isn’t the case with an applicant. :)
It is really more about delivery. People are so wrapped up in being well received that they forget to communicate. So what happens is that although you know what you are trying to say it isn’t always interpreted the way you mean. The expression “that’s not what I meant” comes to mind.
Generally there are two types of delivery from a candidate:
1. The person so relaxed that he/she shares too much.
2. The person so nervous, guarded or self-critical that he/she doesn’t share enough.
Both are commonplace, with emphasis however on the latter. Most people don’t share enough detail for clear communication. Interviewers are trying to determine what kind of person you are and how you resolve situations. Effective communication becomes vital.
A particular quality that tends to be missing. Hmmm. Well, it’s not about one particular quality so much as it is about who you are as a whole. Interviewers must feel like they have really gotten to know you. They need to feel as if they have a solid understanding of how you think and what type of team player you are. That can be a tall order in a 20-minute interview. Keep in mind that the interview is about YOU, not them. As we prepare for interviews we tend to lose sight of that fact. We become so concerned with “what the interviewers want to hear” that we forget they NEED to see the real person.
One characteristic that will shoot you down every time is attitude. If you are perceived with a bad-attitude then the interviewers will pass…they don’t want to expose their entire labor group to a bad-seed. Keep in mind the old adage: “I can teach you to fly my airplane, but I can’t teach you a personality.”
In recent years airlines have, to their credit, zeroed in on the “core person” and their flying experience in relation to the job function. So, yes several airlines have hired folks who have requisite experience, not necessarily from a large airline, that is in alignment with the job they are hiring for. Majors have hired directly from turbo-prop operators and also those with no Turbine PIC.
We have long since forgotten, but airlines used to hire based on the core personality of the candidate only – regardless if they already knew how to fly. They would then teach them the skills for the job and a career was born.
Yes, interviews are critical, for both the airline and the candidate. Interviews are a big deal – they don’t come around every day, and the dream job is once in a blue moon. Effective communication is the number one element for a successful interview.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Wednesday, April 16, 2008
Fight or Flight?
Over the past several years, I have been saying repeatedly that this industry is in the infancy stages of metamorphosis. The development over the last week or so with four airlines closing their doors is part of this morphing. We are now seeing more intense conversations of mergers and/or possible acquisitions. It is my opinion that by the end of 2010 we will see a very different airline industry here in the States.
This brings me to Frontier's Chapter 11 filing last week. When the public first learned of the filing, there was a definite dichotomy in the reaction. Investors hit the panic button until they learned the facts of the filing. Living and working here in Denver, it has been very interesting as a "bystander" watching, reading and viewing the local, public reaction. Interestingly enough, the flying public embraced Frontier and rallied behind their efforts, unlike some of the more public figures in the city.
The newspapers locally were quick to jump on the “drama” bandwagon by printing such uninformed headlines as “Buckle Up.” They were not the only “news” (and I use that term loosely) organization to seek the drama spotlight. One news reporter in Seattle appeared on the air telling the flying public he would not fly Frontier because of the latest filing. It left me wondering “why?” What is he basing his haphazard quip on? Facts? Does he understand what chapter 11 really means or how it is intended to be used in business?
When did the “news” stop reporting the news and start focusing on drama and rumor? Now I understand ratings and the mad-scramble to compete with the Internet and other media, but honestly folks…doesn’t the “news” have a responsibility to perform due diligence to obtain the facts before reporting a story? Where do they get their information? I know, I know, they listen to aviation analysts. Ok, well then I have to ask how reliable the analysts’ opinions are; the folks who are, by some, considered as “experts” (another term I use loosely.) Why is it that most of the analysts jumped on the very same bandwagon of presiding over Frontier’s funeral? Why are they not addressing the factual basis of chapter 11? Are they insecure in themselves or their job? Or perhaps they desperately need attention? How sad. To my knowledge, the only analyst to perform due diligence and actually speak intelligently about the facts of Frontier’s filing is Michael Boyd of The Boyd Group. I respect the Boyd Group for reporting the facts - a refreshing change.
Frontier certainly has a loyal following right here in Denver and I, for one, applaud the public for not succumbing to the knee-jerk reactions from the media “stories” but to instead take the time to read and understand the facts.
Before making any assumptions regarding career choices, or even purchasing airline tickets, do your own due diligence and take the time to educate yourself.
• Frontier has publicized their position and all documentation on their website: http://www.frontierairlines.com/restructure/
• Michael Boyd’s report – supported by factual substance – can be found here: http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm
Regards,
Lori Clark
This brings me to Frontier's Chapter 11 filing last week. When the public first learned of the filing, there was a definite dichotomy in the reaction. Investors hit the panic button until they learned the facts of the filing. Living and working here in Denver, it has been very interesting as a "bystander" watching, reading and viewing the local, public reaction. Interestingly enough, the flying public embraced Frontier and rallied behind their efforts, unlike some of the more public figures in the city.
The newspapers locally were quick to jump on the “drama” bandwagon by printing such uninformed headlines as “Buckle Up.” They were not the only “news” (and I use that term loosely) organization to seek the drama spotlight. One news reporter in Seattle appeared on the air telling the flying public he would not fly Frontier because of the latest filing. It left me wondering “why?” What is he basing his haphazard quip on? Facts? Does he understand what chapter 11 really means or how it is intended to be used in business?
When did the “news” stop reporting the news and start focusing on drama and rumor? Now I understand ratings and the mad-scramble to compete with the Internet and other media, but honestly folks…doesn’t the “news” have a responsibility to perform due diligence to obtain the facts before reporting a story? Where do they get their information? I know, I know, they listen to aviation analysts. Ok, well then I have to ask how reliable the analysts’ opinions are; the folks who are, by some, considered as “experts” (another term I use loosely.) Why is it that most of the analysts jumped on the very same bandwagon of presiding over Frontier’s funeral? Why are they not addressing the factual basis of chapter 11? Are they insecure in themselves or their job? Or perhaps they desperately need attention? How sad. To my knowledge, the only analyst to perform due diligence and actually speak intelligently about the facts of Frontier’s filing is Michael Boyd of The Boyd Group. I respect the Boyd Group for reporting the facts - a refreshing change.
Frontier certainly has a loyal following right here in Denver and I, for one, applaud the public for not succumbing to the knee-jerk reactions from the media “stories” but to instead take the time to read and understand the facts.
Before making any assumptions regarding career choices, or even purchasing airline tickets, do your own due diligence and take the time to educate yourself.
• Frontier has publicized their position and all documentation on their website: http://www.frontierairlines.com/restructure/
• Michael Boyd’s report – supported by factual substance – can be found here: http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm
Regards,
Lori Clark
Sunday, April 13, 2008
Saturday, April 12, 2008
Is weight an issue?
Question:
Hi Lori,
Sorry for the intrusion, but I wondered if you might share your perspective on overweight applicants for pilot jobs you may have encountered in the past. How likely is a substantially overweight applicant to be rejected for this? What has crossed your mind in the past when you've interviewed such applicants?
I appreciate your viewpoint.
Answer:
Certainly no intrusion.
It is important to note that an interviewer can recommend not hiring you simply because they don’t like the color of your eyes. Thankfully, most interviewers are more savvy than that and set aside their own personal opinions when evaluating a possible employee. They are simply more concerned with two things:
1. Will you represent the company with a professional, positive image?
2. Will you fly their airplane competently and safely?
Beyond that, the only concern would be regarding egress from the aircraft. You must be able to egress from all emergency exits (including the cockpit if there is an exit located there) and be able to hold a first class medical.
I am not a doctor and medical opinion regarding “overweight” is best left to the medical professionals. Denying someone employment solely based on perceived weight issues is not typical of the interview evaluation process. Although many airlines conduct independent medicals by a licensed medical practitioner as part of their process, during which your medical health may come into question.
I wish you the very best.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Hi Lori,
Sorry for the intrusion, but I wondered if you might share your perspective on overweight applicants for pilot jobs you may have encountered in the past. How likely is a substantially overweight applicant to be rejected for this? What has crossed your mind in the past when you've interviewed such applicants?
I appreciate your viewpoint.
Answer:
Certainly no intrusion.
It is important to note that an interviewer can recommend not hiring you simply because they don’t like the color of your eyes. Thankfully, most interviewers are more savvy than that and set aside their own personal opinions when evaluating a possible employee. They are simply more concerned with two things:
1. Will you represent the company with a professional, positive image?
2. Will you fly their airplane competently and safely?
Beyond that, the only concern would be regarding egress from the aircraft. You must be able to egress from all emergency exits (including the cockpit if there is an exit located there) and be able to hold a first class medical.
I am not a doctor and medical opinion regarding “overweight” is best left to the medical professionals. Denying someone employment solely based on perceived weight issues is not typical of the interview evaluation process. Although many airlines conduct independent medicals by a licensed medical practitioner as part of their process, during which your medical health may come into question.
I wish you the very best.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Tuesday, March 11, 2008
Question:
I was recently "terminated" from a training program as a street captain with a regional airline. Due to, "lack of progression in pilot training". My background is all Part 91/135 co-pilot experience. I also recieved an "unsat" on the oral and what was otherwise a perfect training record. (I was told this will be on a PRIA report.) As of today I recieved an interview opportunity with [another airline] and a Part 135 company. (great news)
My question is...how do I present this to a potential employer? I have no violations or suspensions. My driving record is clear.
This regional airline made it sound like my career is over. Is it? Looking forward to hearing from you
Answer:
Of course your career is not over! If I had a nickel for every pilot I know that has failed training and continued on with a successful career I would be a rich woman!
You aren’t the first to fail training, nor will you be the last. Sure, it’s a blow to the ego…but certainly not a career buster.
Having said that, there is an appropriate way to approach the issue with your interviewers. Take responsibility and be accountable – it is after all YOUR bust. That bust resulted in termination of employment. The term “lack of progression” is a common catch-phrase for the cause of termination. It can also be an indicator that the employee poses a potential problem with skill level (particularly if it is associated with sim training.) In your case it appears – from what you have illustrated – that your bust occurred at the oral stage. Therefore my inclination is that the term was used as the typical “catch-all.”
So, when explaining the situation to an interviewer stick to the facts of what happened. You will want to illustrate what you have learned and most importantly - what you are doing to be sure this doesn’t repeat in the future. Quite simply, the interviewers want to know they aren't going to waste their training dollars on you for repeating the same mistakes. Be prepared – they are going to ask if you were afforded the opportunity of a re-take.
Yes, it will appear on your PRIA (Pilot Records Improvement Act.) If you were employed by an airline you must disclose where you worked. The new airline is required by law to request your training record from all places where you were employed as a pilot (PRIA.) You are also entitled to a copy of your training records - so at the same time you sign the release of those records to the new company also request a copy be sent directly to you. If you want to see your records before signing a release form and waiting for someone else to submit it you can visit the company and ask to review your training file. Your record is your record and you are entitled to view it. You may also call and request a copy be sent to you. They may charge you for this request, but it is worth it to know what exactly was written about you in your training file.
Good luck with your interviews!
Regards,
Lori Clark
I was recently "terminated" from a training program as a street captain with a regional airline. Due to, "lack of progression in pilot training". My background is all Part 91/135 co-pilot experience. I also recieved an "unsat" on the oral and what was otherwise a perfect training record. (I was told this will be on a PRIA report.) As of today I recieved an interview opportunity with [another airline] and a Part 135 company. (great news)
My question is...how do I present this to a potential employer? I have no violations or suspensions. My driving record is clear.
This regional airline made it sound like my career is over. Is it? Looking forward to hearing from you
Answer:
Of course your career is not over! If I had a nickel for every pilot I know that has failed training and continued on with a successful career I would be a rich woman!
You aren’t the first to fail training, nor will you be the last. Sure, it’s a blow to the ego…but certainly not a career buster.
Having said that, there is an appropriate way to approach the issue with your interviewers. Take responsibility and be accountable – it is after all YOUR bust. That bust resulted in termination of employment. The term “lack of progression” is a common catch-phrase for the cause of termination. It can also be an indicator that the employee poses a potential problem with skill level (particularly if it is associated with sim training.) In your case it appears – from what you have illustrated – that your bust occurred at the oral stage. Therefore my inclination is that the term was used as the typical “catch-all.”
So, when explaining the situation to an interviewer stick to the facts of what happened. You will want to illustrate what you have learned and most importantly - what you are doing to be sure this doesn’t repeat in the future. Quite simply, the interviewers want to know they aren't going to waste their training dollars on you for repeating the same mistakes. Be prepared – they are going to ask if you were afforded the opportunity of a re-take.
Yes, it will appear on your PRIA (Pilot Records Improvement Act.) If you were employed by an airline you must disclose where you worked. The new airline is required by law to request your training record from all places where you were employed as a pilot (PRIA.) You are also entitled to a copy of your training records - so at the same time you sign the release of those records to the new company also request a copy be sent directly to you. If you want to see your records before signing a release form and waiting for someone else to submit it you can visit the company and ask to review your training file. Your record is your record and you are entitled to view it. You may also call and request a copy be sent to you. They may charge you for this request, but it is worth it to know what exactly was written about you in your training file.
Good luck with your interviews!
Regards,
Lori Clark
Felony convictions regarding professional pilots
Question:
Lori,
I read your reply to the wife who's husband had a burglary record three years ago. My case is different. When I was 19 back in 1976 I was convicted of delivery of cannabis ( 2 counts). I plead guilty to one count and they dropped the other. It was like 2 ten ounce bags, (was getting it for a friend, STUPID) back then it was anything over seven ounces was a felony. Today it would be a misdemeanor. My record has been clean since and I think I am of good character. I don't think I fall under CFR 14. What do you think? Should I just be straightforward with them up front and see what they say, or hope that the record is so old (32 years) that they won't pay any attention to it. This is a stupid thing I did as a kid and I hope it won't kill my dream. Hope you answer. Thank you!!!!
Answer:
Your conviction may show up on your record, in which case I would recommend ordering your own background check to see what is there. If it is listed you must disclose it to the airline and of course be prepared to discuss it in your interview.
BUT, with regard to your specific question about disqualification it doesn’t appear to be a disqualifier. Note* My determination is based on the date of the conviction, not the charge. The charge you stated “delivery of cannabis” doesn’t appear to be the actual charge – perhaps drug trafficking or distribution?
It appears to me that this conviction is not a factor with regard to the 28 disqualifying offenses. In paragraph two of 14 CFR 107.31 it specifically states the conviction must be on or after 12/6/1991 AND subparagraph (d) further illustrates it must be within 10 years of your SIDA application to be a disqualifier.
Long and short: in my opinion it is not a disqualifier for obtaining unescorted access authority for a SIDA badge. That doesn’t mean that you won’t have to disclose the event as it still may appear on your FBI background check, just that it isn’t a show stopper for you.
14CFR107.31 excerpt
2) When a CHRC discloses a disqualifying criminal offense for which the conviction or finding of not guilty by reason of insanity was on or after December 6, 1991, the airport operator must immediately suspend that individual's authority.
(d) Disqualifying criminal offenses. An individual has a disqualifying criminal offense if the individual has been convicted, or found not guilty of by reason of insanity, of any of the disqualifying crimes listed in this paragraph in any jurisdiction during the 10 years before the date of the individual's application for unescorted access authority, or while the individual has unescorted access authority.
Visit:www.access.gpo.gov for more information and the complete CFR.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Lori,
I read your reply to the wife who's husband had a burglary record three years ago. My case is different. When I was 19 back in 1976 I was convicted of delivery of cannabis ( 2 counts). I plead guilty to one count and they dropped the other. It was like 2 ten ounce bags, (was getting it for a friend, STUPID) back then it was anything over seven ounces was a felony. Today it would be a misdemeanor. My record has been clean since and I think I am of good character. I don't think I fall under CFR 14. What do you think? Should I just be straightforward with them up front and see what they say, or hope that the record is so old (32 years) that they won't pay any attention to it. This is a stupid thing I did as a kid and I hope it won't kill my dream. Hope you answer. Thank you!!!!
Answer:
Your conviction may show up on your record, in which case I would recommend ordering your own background check to see what is there. If it is listed you must disclose it to the airline and of course be prepared to discuss it in your interview.
BUT, with regard to your specific question about disqualification it doesn’t appear to be a disqualifier. Note* My determination is based on the date of the conviction, not the charge. The charge you stated “delivery of cannabis” doesn’t appear to be the actual charge – perhaps drug trafficking or distribution?
It appears to me that this conviction is not a factor with regard to the 28 disqualifying offenses. In paragraph two of 14 CFR 107.31 it specifically states the conviction must be on or after 12/6/1991 AND subparagraph (d) further illustrates it must be within 10 years of your SIDA application to be a disqualifier.
Long and short: in my opinion it is not a disqualifier for obtaining unescorted access authority for a SIDA badge. That doesn’t mean that you won’t have to disclose the event as it still may appear on your FBI background check, just that it isn’t a show stopper for you.
14CFR107.31 excerpt
2) When a CHRC discloses a disqualifying criminal offense for which the conviction or finding of not guilty by reason of insanity was on or after December 6, 1991, the airport operator must immediately suspend that individual's authority.
(d) Disqualifying criminal offenses. An individual has a disqualifying criminal offense if the individual has been convicted, or found not guilty of by reason of insanity, of any of the disqualifying crimes listed in this paragraph in any jurisdiction during the 10 years before the date of the individual's application for unescorted access authority, or while the individual has unescorted access authority.
Visit:www.access.gpo.gov for more information and the complete CFR.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Friday, March 7, 2008
Driving records
Question:
Hi Lori,
I am in the process of applying to airlines on airline apps. The question that comes up is about my driving record. I am more than willing to be completely honest about my record but I really can't because I don't have any recollection about when I received speeding tickets and one for failure to yield. I don't remember dates or even years for that matter.
So my question is what record will the employers receive and how do I get my hands on that report and is there some organization that I can pay to research the same stuff that the airlines will research and just see what comes up. Can I just pay the same company for the same data that the airlines will receive?
Again I am more that willing to be honest but exact dates! I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning.
Thank you
Answer:
Not remembering dates, believe it or not, is not an excuse. So, request your driving record from the Dept. of Motor Vehicles from each state where you lived and/or were licensed. If nothing appears then make an educated guess as to when the ticket was issued.
The airlines cannot request a copy of your state driving record on their own - this is why they ask you to bring it with to the interview. So what an airline sees on your state driving record is what you provide. Not all airlines will request to see your driving record.
Although the rule of thumb is that the driving record shows five years of history, each state has a different set of rules. Some will "drop" violations from your record in a given amount of time and others do not. It is completely up to the state's chief driving official.
However, airlines are required by the PRIA to request the NDR (National Driver Register) and will do so via a release signed by you.
Reporting to the NDR is voluntary by the state and not all states report. What is reported to the NDR is egregious behavior - not your simple speeding ticket.
According to the NDR what is reported is: "...information about drivers who have had their licenses revoked or suspended, or who have been convicted of serious traffic violations such as driving while impaired by alcohol or drugs. State motor vehicle agencies provide NDR with the names of individuals who have lost their privilege or who have been convicted of a serious traffic violation."
For more information on the NDR visit: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Hope this helps!
Regards,
Lori Clark
Hi Lori,
I am in the process of applying to airlines on airline apps. The question that comes up is about my driving record. I am more than willing to be completely honest about my record but I really can't because I don't have any recollection about when I received speeding tickets and one for failure to yield. I don't remember dates or even years for that matter.
So my question is what record will the employers receive and how do I get my hands on that report and is there some organization that I can pay to research the same stuff that the airlines will research and just see what comes up. Can I just pay the same company for the same data that the airlines will receive?
Again I am more that willing to be honest but exact dates! I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning.
Thank you
Answer:
Not remembering dates, believe it or not, is not an excuse. So, request your driving record from the Dept. of Motor Vehicles from each state where you lived and/or were licensed. If nothing appears then make an educated guess as to when the ticket was issued.
The airlines cannot request a copy of your state driving record on their own - this is why they ask you to bring it with to the interview. So what an airline sees on your state driving record is what you provide. Not all airlines will request to see your driving record.
Although the rule of thumb is that the driving record shows five years of history, each state has a different set of rules. Some will "drop" violations from your record in a given amount of time and others do not. It is completely up to the state's chief driving official.
However, airlines are required by the PRIA to request the NDR (National Driver Register) and will do so via a release signed by you.
Reporting to the NDR is voluntary by the state and not all states report. What is reported to the NDR is egregious behavior - not your simple speeding ticket.
According to the NDR what is reported is: "...information about drivers who have had their licenses revoked or suspended, or who have been convicted of serious traffic violations such as driving while impaired by alcohol or drugs. State motor vehicle agencies provide NDR with the names of individuals who have lost their privilege or who have been convicted of a serious traffic violation."
For more information on the NDR visit: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Hope this helps!
Regards,
Lori Clark
Sunday, March 2, 2008
Presentation Vs Job Performance In An Interview
Recently Michael Homula, of Bearing Fruit Consulting, read my article "In An Interview, What Message Is Your Body Language Sending?" and responded with an insightful post on his blog regarding common practice, and common mistakes, performed by interviewers far and wide. Here is the link if you are interested in reading his post. In his post, he asserts that the best employees are more focused on result oriented job performance, therefore often do not perform well in an interview and that interviewers are more concerned with interview performance than actual job competence.
I completely agree with Michael’s assessment of many human resource departments and their representatives who conduct interviews. It is unfortunate that interviewers fall back on a primal perception of a candidate rather than to evaluate actual job performance and the ability to perform in a new workplace.
Why does this happen? We can formulate as many assumptions are there are people in this world, but the sad fact of the matter is interviewers relying on perception is actually commonplace.
My opinion as to why this occurs in an interview is twofold.
First, it has been only in recent years that the Human Resources department is becoming recognized and valued as a viable contributing entity to an organization. Historically, HR has been the department where employees were dispensed when employers had no idea where else to assign them. Many HR departments were, and in many cases still are, comprised of “friends” of top executives. Some of these folks may very well be qualified for the position they hold, but in many cases, they may not be qualified. If the unqualified superior possesses any insecurities regarding their own position they are subject to hiring people into the department who will not “show them up” and thus not hold the requisite skills or training for the department. This unfortunately results with a trickle down of under qualified subordinates who lack proper insight to a behavioral based interview evaluation. Again, historically the Human Resources department was considered an inconsequential entity to the entire organization and a relatively safe department to employ friends. Thankfully, the notion of unimportance for this department, and vocational field, is changing.
Second, I believe there is a lack of training for the people conducting interviews. Particularly in aviation, I have witnessed a widespread lack of training for those HR representatives (and pilot interviewers) on proper interviewing methods, techniques and evaluation.
Not all interviews are unsuccessful at evaluating a candidate’s job performance and it is worth noting that it seems, albeit ever so slowly, recognizing the need for behavioral interview training for interviewers is on the rise in Corporate America.
In the aviation world, some airlines have implemented evaluation procedures that I believe are more in line with evaluating the pilot candidate’s viability accurately. FedEx, Southwest, Frontier and SkyWest airlines implement a section of their interview that physically places the candidate in a situation for them to resolve utilizing their piloting skills. Each airline has a different name for this section of the interview, often termed “SBI” (Situational Based Interview) or” LOI” (Line Oriented Interview.) This portion of the interview places the candidate in a paper mock-up of the airplane’s flight deck, complete with a First Officer and sometimes a jump-seater. The idea is to simulate an actual flight. Then a particular occurrence, or emergency, ensues and the candidate, acting as Captain of this mock flight, responds to the emergency. This is a role-play where each person acts out the scenario. In essence, the resolution process that the candidate executes shows the interviewers a piece of their potential job performance.
Personally, I believe this is one of the best forms of evaluation for an airline pilot candidate as it allows the candidate to demonstrate performance capability and gives the interviewer a more accurate picture of the candidate. It illustrates one of the most important factors of the skill of an airline pilot, which is how they handle an emergency or high-pressure situation in the air. Of course, this is not a complete picture of the candidate and a face-to-face interview is still necessary to determine company “fit.” This is where Michael and I agree – interviewers need training.
Although Michael and I agree with regard to interviewer training, it does not negate the fact that these instinctual fallbacks of evaluation still exist. Hence, I took to writing an article on how to recognize and conquer your own physical demeanor in an interview. Sadly, with current times and the slowly evolving HR world, we, as job candidates, are saddled with the responsibility of ensuring that the interviewers are not distracted with knee-jerk reactions to our personal presentation so that they may see our skills and performance capabilities.
Another important fact to remember is that some candidates have trouble communicating appropriate answers. People are human and rely on effective communication for better understanding of a candidate’s skill and potential job performance so without proper behavioral interview training of the interviewer and communication training for the candidate; the interview could be a bust for no good reason.
Regards,
Lori Clark
I completely agree with Michael’s assessment of many human resource departments and their representatives who conduct interviews. It is unfortunate that interviewers fall back on a primal perception of a candidate rather than to evaluate actual job performance and the ability to perform in a new workplace.
Why does this happen? We can formulate as many assumptions are there are people in this world, but the sad fact of the matter is interviewers relying on perception is actually commonplace.
My opinion as to why this occurs in an interview is twofold.
First, it has been only in recent years that the Human Resources department is becoming recognized and valued as a viable contributing entity to an organization. Historically, HR has been the department where employees were dispensed when employers had no idea where else to assign them. Many HR departments were, and in many cases still are, comprised of “friends” of top executives. Some of these folks may very well be qualified for the position they hold, but in many cases, they may not be qualified. If the unqualified superior possesses any insecurities regarding their own position they are subject to hiring people into the department who will not “show them up” and thus not hold the requisite skills or training for the department. This unfortunately results with a trickle down of under qualified subordinates who lack proper insight to a behavioral based interview evaluation. Again, historically the Human Resources department was considered an inconsequential entity to the entire organization and a relatively safe department to employ friends. Thankfully, the notion of unimportance for this department, and vocational field, is changing.
Second, I believe there is a lack of training for the people conducting interviews. Particularly in aviation, I have witnessed a widespread lack of training for those HR representatives (and pilot interviewers) on proper interviewing methods, techniques and evaluation.
Not all interviews are unsuccessful at evaluating a candidate’s job performance and it is worth noting that it seems, albeit ever so slowly, recognizing the need for behavioral interview training for interviewers is on the rise in Corporate America.
In the aviation world, some airlines have implemented evaluation procedures that I believe are more in line with evaluating the pilot candidate’s viability accurately. FedEx, Southwest, Frontier and SkyWest airlines implement a section of their interview that physically places the candidate in a situation for them to resolve utilizing their piloting skills. Each airline has a different name for this section of the interview, often termed “SBI” (Situational Based Interview) or” LOI” (Line Oriented Interview.) This portion of the interview places the candidate in a paper mock-up of the airplane’s flight deck, complete with a First Officer and sometimes a jump-seater. The idea is to simulate an actual flight. Then a particular occurrence, or emergency, ensues and the candidate, acting as Captain of this mock flight, responds to the emergency. This is a role-play where each person acts out the scenario. In essence, the resolution process that the candidate executes shows the interviewers a piece of their potential job performance.
Personally, I believe this is one of the best forms of evaluation for an airline pilot candidate as it allows the candidate to demonstrate performance capability and gives the interviewer a more accurate picture of the candidate. It illustrates one of the most important factors of the skill of an airline pilot, which is how they handle an emergency or high-pressure situation in the air. Of course, this is not a complete picture of the candidate and a face-to-face interview is still necessary to determine company “fit.” This is where Michael and I agree – interviewers need training.
Although Michael and I agree with regard to interviewer training, it does not negate the fact that these instinctual fallbacks of evaluation still exist. Hence, I took to writing an article on how to recognize and conquer your own physical demeanor in an interview. Sadly, with current times and the slowly evolving HR world, we, as job candidates, are saddled with the responsibility of ensuring that the interviewers are not distracted with knee-jerk reactions to our personal presentation so that they may see our skills and performance capabilities.
Another important fact to remember is that some candidates have trouble communicating appropriate answers. People are human and rely on effective communication for better understanding of a candidate’s skill and potential job performance so without proper behavioral interview training of the interviewer and communication training for the candidate; the interview could be a bust for no good reason.
Regards,
Lori Clark
Monday, February 25, 2008
Aspiring to be an airline pilot
Question:
I am going to be going into my junior year in high school next year. I've always had a big interest in being a pilot for an airline since i was a little kid, and i still want to pursue it. I have a couple questions though.
First, what should i do in order to pursue an aviation career as a student?
Second, what are some good colleges to look at for aviation?
Thirdly, would all the schooling, training and all that building up flight time be worth all my time, because the more i read, the more unsecure or unlikely it seems to become a pilot with all the competition, and i dont want to lose intersest, so please give me a little advice. Thanks
Answer:
I applaud you for following your dreams.
First, I think you're on the right track by seeking a college degree first. There are two schools of thought on whether or not a degree is worthwhile, but nonetheless the fact is that there are airlines who require a four-year degree.
Why on Earth would anyone want to close any doors? I believe in a degree, preferably non-aviation. Reason is that you will learn an area of specialty that you could fall back on if, knock on wood, something happened to your flying career.
Second,there are many good colleges to consider. If you're leaning toward an aviation degree I would seriously consider UND and Purdue. There are other excellent flight schools as well. My personal favorite is Flight Safety Academy in Vero Beach Florida. I recently wrote an article regarding flight schools feel free to peruse - - I hope it helps.
Third, my question back to you on this is: Where are you reading this stuff? Yes, today (and the past few years) it is very competitive, more so than it has been in a very long time. But competition is not new to this industry, you will always face stiff competition for flying jobs. Unfortunately 9/11 really threw a wrench into things and put thousands of pilots on the street which increased competition - or should I say it decreased job availability. You will face some frustration along your career path, particularly when you are applying for a new job. But this is not unusual. I highly recommend you talk to as many pilots as you can - in person would be best - get their insight into the industry and their opinions. Pilots love to talk, I'm sure you'll get more than you bargained for when you pose your question.
The life of a pilot is certainly not what it used to be 10, 20 years ago. Salaries have decreased significantly and the prestige of being a pilot has diminished as well. I personally think this is because the prestige of flying in general has diminished. Please keep in mind as you read various message boards, etc that there are a lot of bitter pilots out there. Not that they shouldn't be, they have worked their entire lives building a retirement package and *poof* it's gone. I'd be bitter too. But rest assured, as long as we continue to fly airplanes we will continue to need pilots. My advice would be to do it because you love to fly, not for the money or the glamour.
I hope this helps you, or at least gives you a little reassurance.
I am going to be going into my junior year in high school next year. I've always had a big interest in being a pilot for an airline since i was a little kid, and i still want to pursue it. I have a couple questions though.
First, what should i do in order to pursue an aviation career as a student?
Second, what are some good colleges to look at for aviation?
Thirdly, would all the schooling, training and all that building up flight time be worth all my time, because the more i read, the more unsecure or unlikely it seems to become a pilot with all the competition, and i dont want to lose intersest, so please give me a little advice. Thanks
Answer:
I applaud you for following your dreams.
First, I think you're on the right track by seeking a college degree first. There are two schools of thought on whether or not a degree is worthwhile, but nonetheless the fact is that there are airlines who require a four-year degree.
Why on Earth would anyone want to close any doors? I believe in a degree, preferably non-aviation. Reason is that you will learn an area of specialty that you could fall back on if, knock on wood, something happened to your flying career.
Second,there are many good colleges to consider. If you're leaning toward an aviation degree I would seriously consider UND and Purdue. There are other excellent flight schools as well. My personal favorite is Flight Safety Academy in Vero Beach Florida. I recently wrote an article regarding flight schools feel free to peruse - - I hope it helps.
Third, my question back to you on this is: Where are you reading this stuff? Yes, today (and the past few years) it is very competitive, more so than it has been in a very long time. But competition is not new to this industry, you will always face stiff competition for flying jobs. Unfortunately 9/11 really threw a wrench into things and put thousands of pilots on the street which increased competition - or should I say it decreased job availability. You will face some frustration along your career path, particularly when you are applying for a new job. But this is not unusual. I highly recommend you talk to as many pilots as you can - in person would be best - get their insight into the industry and their opinions. Pilots love to talk, I'm sure you'll get more than you bargained for when you pose your question.
The life of a pilot is certainly not what it used to be 10, 20 years ago. Salaries have decreased significantly and the prestige of being a pilot has diminished as well. I personally think this is because the prestige of flying in general has diminished. Please keep in mind as you read various message boards, etc that there are a lot of bitter pilots out there. Not that they shouldn't be, they have worked their entire lives building a retirement package and *poof* it's gone. I'd be bitter too. But rest assured, as long as we continue to fly airplanes we will continue to need pilots. My advice would be to do it because you love to fly, not for the money or the glamour.
I hope this helps you, or at least gives you a little reassurance.
Friday, February 22, 2008
Common interview questions
Click Herefor a great list of common, generic interview questions.
Let's look at these questions and how they pertain to airline pilot interviews.
I would love your comments and questions - please post your comments below!
1. Tell me about yourself:
Their suggestion:
The most often asked question in interviews. You need to have a short
statement prepared in your mind. Be careful that it does not sound
rehearsed. Limit it to work-related items unless instructed otherwise.
Talk about things you have done and jobs you have held that relate to
the position you are interviewing for. Start with the item farthest
back and work up to the present.
My thoughts:
I do not agree with this suggestion regarding pilot interviews. However, in a pinch it would suffice. Is it wrong? NO, absolutely not. But I believe there is a better way to approach this question in an airline pilot interview.
Unlike the "rest of the world" pilot interviews are different. The HR portion of the interview is extremely short, relatively speaking. It is typically 30 minutes or less and very often right around the 15-20 minute mark. Pilot interviews are unlike the other 99% of the world's interviews where the interviewer has a much longer period of time to talk and get to know the candidate.
With this in mind it is my suggestion that you answer this question much more personally. They already have your work history in front of them so give them something more to chew on. Tell them about YOU - let them get to know you. I prefer to hear about the intangibles like how you got into flying and why today (interview day) is so important to you.
If the question were posed "tell me about your career" then I would wholeheartedly agree with what they illustrate. My stance is to take it to the personal level unless instructed otherwise.
All in all this is usually an ice-breaker question, but why not use it to your advantage and let them see the person behind the suit?
What do you think? Do you agree? Disagree?
I have a question about getting hired at an airline
Question:
I have a question about getting hired at an airline preferably [a major]. I got an impaired driving charge in [my state] in 2002. I reported it to [XYZ] airlines and was hired in 2005. When trying to get on with [a major], they ask you if you have ever got one of these on your record, I put yes, but after reading one of your posts on what the airlines can look up as far as driving records, should I see if my name is on the National Driving Record Database, and if its not, can I get away with not putting it on the application? I only ask becuase I believe this impaired driving charge is going to hurt me in the long run.
Thanks!
Answer:
Yes, I highly recommend that you obtain a copy of your record from the National Driver Register. If for no other reason to know what has been reported about you. I don't know if your state reports to the NDR or not and whether or not it is listed. If this incident is there then you must disclose the it - they will see it.
Having said that, what you are asking is really an ethical question. Only you can really answer that question. My philosophy has always been one of honesty. It would be worse if you did not disclose and they discovered it. Then they can terminate your employment based on falsification - lying on the application. Which is worse? Do you always want to be looking over your shoulder?
My advice... fess up. Explain the situation and what happened, without emotion. Accountability is what the interviewers need to see. Mistakes can be forgiven, and learned from, but lack of accountability is inexcusable.
I hope this helps!
Lori Clark
I have a question about getting hired at an airline preferably [a major]. I got an impaired driving charge in [my state] in 2002. I reported it to [XYZ] airlines and was hired in 2005. When trying to get on with [a major], they ask you if you have ever got one of these on your record, I put yes, but after reading one of your posts on what the airlines can look up as far as driving records, should I see if my name is on the National Driving Record Database, and if its not, can I get away with not putting it on the application? I only ask becuase I believe this impaired driving charge is going to hurt me in the long run.
Thanks!
Answer:
Yes, I highly recommend that you obtain a copy of your record from the National Driver Register. If for no other reason to know what has been reported about you. I don't know if your state reports to the NDR or not and whether or not it is listed. If this incident is there then you must disclose the it - they will see it.
Having said that, what you are asking is really an ethical question. Only you can really answer that question. My philosophy has always been one of honesty. It would be worse if you did not disclose and they discovered it. Then they can terminate your employment based on falsification - lying on the application. Which is worse? Do you always want to be looking over your shoulder?
My advice... fess up. Explain the situation and what happened, without emotion. Accountability is what the interviewers need to see. Mistakes can be forgiven, and learned from, but lack of accountability is inexcusable.
I hope this helps!
Lori Clark
I was asked to resign from an airline job...
Question:
I was asked to resign from an airline job,because they say I had enough time to complete the IOE and there has to be a limit and I reached. I say, it happened because they fragmented my IOE training, they changed too many instructors (6)in total. When I was ready to get it, they changed to another instructor and so on.
They told me that I could apply to other airline because this is not going to be on my records and I could say that I resigned for personal reasons. Now I am
applying and have been asking why
I leave my last job? mi question is: What I should say? What do you recomend?
Answer:
I'm sorry that you had trouble in training and I'm also sorry that "they" told you that you could or should be elusive to future interviewers. This is simply not the case - the more elusive you are the larger the question mark in the interviewer's mind. You don't want them to have any question marks about you or your past. In short, don't let them use their imaginations.
If you received a paycheck from this airline, then yes it will appear on your record as past employment. Furthermore, because of the PRIA (Pilot Records Improvement Act) any future employer is required to obtain your previous training records.
Without knowing the specifics of what happened it is difficult to talk details. The best advice is to be honest. The interviewers will see that you were employed for a relatively short amount of time and suspect there was trouble in training. Take responsibility for your mistakes and be accountable. Everyone makes mistakes but not everyone owns them. If you own your mistake then future employers are more inclined to believe that you have learned from it.
Good Luck!
Lori Clark
I was asked to resign from an airline job,because they say I had enough time to complete the IOE and there has to be a limit and I reached. I say, it happened because they fragmented my IOE training, they changed too many instructors (6)in total. When I was ready to get it, they changed to another instructor and so on.
They told me that I could apply to other airline because this is not going to be on my records and I could say that I resigned for personal reasons. Now I am
applying and have been asking why
I leave my last job? mi question is: What I should say? What do you recomend?
Answer:
I'm sorry that you had trouble in training and I'm also sorry that "they" told you that you could or should be elusive to future interviewers. This is simply not the case - the more elusive you are the larger the question mark in the interviewer's mind. You don't want them to have any question marks about you or your past. In short, don't let them use their imaginations.
If you received a paycheck from this airline, then yes it will appear on your record as past employment. Furthermore, because of the PRIA (Pilot Records Improvement Act) any future employer is required to obtain your previous training records.
Without knowing the specifics of what happened it is difficult to talk details. The best advice is to be honest. The interviewers will see that you were employed for a relatively short amount of time and suspect there was trouble in training. Take responsibility for your mistakes and be accountable. Everyone makes mistakes but not everyone owns them. If you own your mistake then future employers are more inclined to believe that you have learned from it.
Good Luck!
Lori Clark
Sunday, January 27, 2008
Airline Pilot Market
Question:
I was wondering about your assessment of the pilot market.
Answer:
That’s a tough one. The industry is slated to hire 65,000 pilots over the next year.
Having said that, My personal two-cents…. Yes, we are suffering from shortage (especially quality) and will for the next couple of years. If you look at historical flight school enrollments this will give you a good indicator. Flight school to regional is about five years, regional to major another five. What we’re seeing now is the result of very little enrollments right after 9/11 (oh, it rears its ugly head again).
Enrollment picked up again a couple of years later…but fast forward to now. Now is when those 2001, 2002 enrollments should be going to the regionals. They just aren’t there. At the major level we’re gonna feel it even more in a couple more years.
Take a look at who is hiring and what their hiring projections are for the next year, two years. I’m not sure that the regional airlines are going to be able to fulfill their needs. They’re having trouble now, and it’s only going to get worse. I think in about five years we’ll see it START to correct back in favor of the airlines, but I really feel it’s going to be tough going in the near future.
I invite your comments on pilot hiring. Where do you see it in the near future?
I was wondering about your assessment of the pilot market.
Answer:
That’s a tough one. The industry is slated to hire 65,000 pilots over the next year.
Having said that, My personal two-cents…. Yes, we are suffering from shortage (especially quality) and will for the next couple of years. If you look at historical flight school enrollments this will give you a good indicator. Flight school to regional is about five years, regional to major another five. What we’re seeing now is the result of very little enrollments right after 9/11 (oh, it rears its ugly head again).
Enrollment picked up again a couple of years later…but fast forward to now. Now is when those 2001, 2002 enrollments should be going to the regionals. They just aren’t there. At the major level we’re gonna feel it even more in a couple more years.
Take a look at who is hiring and what their hiring projections are for the next year, two years. I’m not sure that the regional airlines are going to be able to fulfill their needs. They’re having trouble now, and it’s only going to get worse. I think in about five years we’ll see it START to correct back in favor of the airlines, but I really feel it’s going to be tough going in the near future.
I invite your comments on pilot hiring. Where do you see it in the near future?
What is a good school to attend to become an airline pilot?
Lori Clark discusses civilian flight training options.
Question:
I am currently a college student scheduled to graduate next year. I am also an aspiring airline pilot (Hopefully for FedEx or UPS). I have a question, and was wondering if you could help me out. After college, I plan to attend flight school, and this is where the problem lies. The flight schools that I am looking at cost around 45 to 70 thousand dollars, and some offer guarantee interviews with regional and some just guarantee you a flight instructor job with them. What do you think of schools like that, with your kind of expertise? Do you think that they are worth going to? They have been in business for a very long time so I am thinking that they are legit. What do you think?
Please any suggestions or comments from you will mean a great deal.
Thanks.
M.E.
Answer:
Dear M.E.,
Let me see if I can help with your questions and decision making process. First things first, a good foundation. You are only as good as the foundation you create. Before beginning any sort of flight training you really need to do some homework on the school(s) you would like to attend. Please know up-front that flight training takes an extreme amount of dedication and money. What I mean by that is, you can expect to invest at least $40K-$60K in your flight training/time building which takes at minimum two years, full time. Until you obtain a commercial license you are unable to be paid for any flying you perform, so as a student you have no income unless you have another job.
The best way I know how to 'interview' any potential flight school is to visit the school in person. Talk with the instructors and students, and then most importantly ask to see the maintenance hangar. What you see in the hangar is most likely an accurate clue to how the company is run. Is the hangar clean/ picked up? Do the mechanics take pride in their jobs? Personally, I would want to know that the mechanics are happy and going 'above and beyond' in their jobs repairing/maintaining the aircraft I fly. If you are comfortable with what you have discovered, then move forward.
You can seek flight training through many different schools. There are formal schools like Flight Safety or an informal school like "Joe Blow's Flight School". Sometimes a local FBO (Fixed Based Operator) located at a nearby airport can seem much more attractive because of cost. Please keep in mind that wherever you go for training you can expect to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of $40,000 - $60,000 by the time you complete all of your training, no matter where you receive it. I recommend that when you are considering flight schools that you give more consideration to a school that operates under FAA Regulations Part 141. Part 141 stipulates that a syllabus be written and followed. A school operating under Part 61 does not have a syllabus and how much flight time you would need to learn a maneuver is up to the instructor. The schools that operate under Part 61 will advertise that the student can complete his/her ratings much faster if they are a quick learner. Well... I'd be careful of that. I have yet to see anyone complete training faster than a Part 141 school and either A) retain their education or B) have decent training to begin with. Basically a Part 61 school's instructor can make you fly additional hours (additional $$$) to complete a maneuver than a school that adheres to a syllabus with a set amount of hours to learn something. Interview the schools. You can obtain an aviation related degree or pursue another degree field. It really doesn't matter to the airlines. If an airline requires a four-year degree they don't care what the field of study is, just that the person has a degree. Your choice of school is very important, and your skills are also very important when interviewing. HOWEVER, the hurdle is landing that coveted interview. Unfortunately there are a lot of pilots on the street looking for jobs, with a lot of flying experience behind them, and I really don't see that changing for a few years, at best. You will need an edge.
In this day and age when competitiveness is running very high a guaranteed interview can be a prized possession. Remember that once you complete your training, you will probably have about 300 hours, give or take. Your training and aptitude at that point just aren't enough to land an interview (unless it's guaranteed through the school). You will need to build time by either instructing or flying cargo or charter. Unfortunately, those jobs are also competitive these days and the folks who hold those positions have quite a bit of time built up already and can have possibly up to 2000 hours, or more.
So, how do you get those jobs? Who you know becomes very important at this stage. If you don't know anyone that can help you into an instructor position or a cargo/charter job then you may want to consider the guaranteed interview school. Delta Connection Academy, for example, has a guaranteed interview with Comair (and perhaps a few more, I don't know their guarantees). I believe to qualify for an airline interview there are certain time requirements to complete as a student, depending on the program in which you are enrolled. To qualify for an academy instructor interview you must have completed at least two of your pilot or instructor ratings with the academy. However, I highly recommend you double check these requirements with the academy as certainly these requirements can change. There are several other schools which guarantee interviews so I suggest some research into which school would best fit your needs.
With that thought, please heed a word of warning... check up on the promises made by these schools. Many schools will advertise guaranteed interviews or industry connections. Be careful! Some airlines may have a "loose affiliation" with these schools. Meaning that they have taken some of their graduates in the past and agree to look at them. That is a far cry from a guarantee. OR, you will have to complete their program in the top 10% to qualify for their "guarantee". Check into it. Contact the airlines they say they have "connections" with, contact some graduates, and get on chat boards, find out the truth. You're investing a lot of money in your future, please don't just rely on promises.
Actually the students of the Pilot Development programs are in an enviable position. Probably one of the best positions of a pilot seeking flying opportunities with a regional airline at this time. The reason is really quite simple, the guaranteed interview. In a time where competitiveness is high and experience is crucial to landing the coveted pilot seat, airlines with the guaranteed interview don’t factor that in for the Pilot Development (academy) graduates. As long as that airline is hiring, they will be taking graduates. That doesn't mean the job is just handed to the graduate, there will still be plenty of studying for the interview in order to receive a job offer.
A common question is if the airlines "just look for the person with the most hours"-- the answer is no. Typically, airlines look at the most competitive, highest quality person. So hours is just one factor. They will also look at what kind of flying the applicant has been doing, in what types of aircraft, etc. But, hours are the first eliminating factor.
Again, the problem with a school with no "airline ties" is what to do after you complete your training. If you have a four-year degree then whichever flight school you choose should fit your needs. If you do not have a four-year degree then I highly recommend ASU, UND or the like. What does a four-year degree get you? Opportunity. Some airlines do not require one, especially at the regional level, but it will close doors for you at the major airline level if you do not have one. Why would you want that??
For students to make the decision to become a professional pilot they must understand that this industry is fickle and there are never any guarantees. I highly recommend that a student obtain a four-year degree in an unrelated field just in case the industry was to take a downturn you would then have another field of study to fall back on.
As far as what direction you should go, that is up to you. There is nothing wrong with obtaining your ratings and hours from a local FBO/school and then an instructor or cargo job. The different ‘academy’ programs simply offer another option with, perhaps, a faster timeline. But continue to ask lots of questions and talk to pilots who already fly for an airline. Chances are they will know of other folks who were in the same position as you.
On a final note, I'd like to stress that networking is incredibly important in this industry. You never know who you will meet along the way and they may be in a position to help in the future. This an extremely small industry. Believe me when I tell you that everyone knows everyone. Please remember to never, ever burn a bridge. Always be humble and respectful to everyone you meet. It just may turn out that someone you meet could be sitting across the interview table from you in the future. Make a point of talking to everyone you come into contact with. Ask questions and ask for advice. You may end up with a mentor. Pilots do love to brag (I mean talk) and they also love to help another pilot climbing the ladder.
I hope this has been of some help to you. Please remember, these are my personal opinions and I encourage you to get as many opinions as you possibly can. You must make your own choices, for your own reasons.
Warm Regards,
Lori Clark
www.flytheline.com
Question:
I am currently a college student scheduled to graduate next year. I am also an aspiring airline pilot (Hopefully for FedEx or UPS). I have a question, and was wondering if you could help me out. After college, I plan to attend flight school, and this is where the problem lies. The flight schools that I am looking at cost around 45 to 70 thousand dollars, and some offer guarantee interviews with regional and some just guarantee you a flight instructor job with them. What do you think of schools like that, with your kind of expertise? Do you think that they are worth going to? They have been in business for a very long time so I am thinking that they are legit. What do you think?
Please any suggestions or comments from you will mean a great deal.
Thanks.
M.E.
Answer:
Dear M.E.,
Let me see if I can help with your questions and decision making process. First things first, a good foundation. You are only as good as the foundation you create. Before beginning any sort of flight training you really need to do some homework on the school(s) you would like to attend. Please know up-front that flight training takes an extreme amount of dedication and money. What I mean by that is, you can expect to invest at least $40K-$60K in your flight training/time building which takes at minimum two years, full time. Until you obtain a commercial license you are unable to be paid for any flying you perform, so as a student you have no income unless you have another job.
The best way I know how to 'interview' any potential flight school is to visit the school in person. Talk with the instructors and students, and then most importantly ask to see the maintenance hangar. What you see in the hangar is most likely an accurate clue to how the company is run. Is the hangar clean/ picked up? Do the mechanics take pride in their jobs? Personally, I would want to know that the mechanics are happy and going 'above and beyond' in their jobs repairing/maintaining the aircraft I fly. If you are comfortable with what you have discovered, then move forward.
You can seek flight training through many different schools. There are formal schools like Flight Safety or an informal school like "Joe Blow's Flight School". Sometimes a local FBO (Fixed Based Operator) located at a nearby airport can seem much more attractive because of cost. Please keep in mind that wherever you go for training you can expect to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of $40,000 - $60,000 by the time you complete all of your training, no matter where you receive it. I recommend that when you are considering flight schools that you give more consideration to a school that operates under FAA Regulations Part 141. Part 141 stipulates that a syllabus be written and followed. A school operating under Part 61 does not have a syllabus and how much flight time you would need to learn a maneuver is up to the instructor. The schools that operate under Part 61 will advertise that the student can complete his/her ratings much faster if they are a quick learner. Well... I'd be careful of that. I have yet to see anyone complete training faster than a Part 141 school and either A) retain their education or B) have decent training to begin with. Basically a Part 61 school's instructor can make you fly additional hours (additional $$$) to complete a maneuver than a school that adheres to a syllabus with a set amount of hours to learn something. Interview the schools. You can obtain an aviation related degree or pursue another degree field. It really doesn't matter to the airlines. If an airline requires a four-year degree they don't care what the field of study is, just that the person has a degree. Your choice of school is very important, and your skills are also very important when interviewing. HOWEVER, the hurdle is landing that coveted interview. Unfortunately there are a lot of pilots on the street looking for jobs, with a lot of flying experience behind them, and I really don't see that changing for a few years, at best. You will need an edge.
In this day and age when competitiveness is running very high a guaranteed interview can be a prized possession. Remember that once you complete your training, you will probably have about 300 hours, give or take. Your training and aptitude at that point just aren't enough to land an interview (unless it's guaranteed through the school). You will need to build time by either instructing or flying cargo or charter. Unfortunately, those jobs are also competitive these days and the folks who hold those positions have quite a bit of time built up already and can have possibly up to 2000 hours, or more.
So, how do you get those jobs? Who you know becomes very important at this stage. If you don't know anyone that can help you into an instructor position or a cargo/charter job then you may want to consider the guaranteed interview school. Delta Connection Academy, for example, has a guaranteed interview with Comair (and perhaps a few more, I don't know their guarantees). I believe to qualify for an airline interview there are certain time requirements to complete as a student, depending on the program in which you are enrolled. To qualify for an academy instructor interview you must have completed at least two of your pilot or instructor ratings with the academy. However, I highly recommend you double check these requirements with the academy as certainly these requirements can change. There are several other schools which guarantee interviews so I suggest some research into which school would best fit your needs.
With that thought, please heed a word of warning... check up on the promises made by these schools. Many schools will advertise guaranteed interviews or industry connections. Be careful! Some airlines may have a "loose affiliation" with these schools. Meaning that they have taken some of their graduates in the past and agree to look at them. That is a far cry from a guarantee. OR, you will have to complete their program in the top 10% to qualify for their "guarantee". Check into it. Contact the airlines they say they have "connections" with, contact some graduates, and get on chat boards, find out the truth. You're investing a lot of money in your future, please don't just rely on promises.
Actually the students of the Pilot Development programs are in an enviable position. Probably one of the best positions of a pilot seeking flying opportunities with a regional airline at this time. The reason is really quite simple, the guaranteed interview. In a time where competitiveness is high and experience is crucial to landing the coveted pilot seat, airlines with the guaranteed interview don’t factor that in for the Pilot Development (academy) graduates. As long as that airline is hiring, they will be taking graduates. That doesn't mean the job is just handed to the graduate, there will still be plenty of studying for the interview in order to receive a job offer.
A common question is if the airlines "just look for the person with the most hours"-- the answer is no. Typically, airlines look at the most competitive, highest quality person. So hours is just one factor. They will also look at what kind of flying the applicant has been doing, in what types of aircraft, etc. But, hours are the first eliminating factor.
Again, the problem with a school with no "airline ties" is what to do after you complete your training. If you have a four-year degree then whichever flight school you choose should fit your needs. If you do not have a four-year degree then I highly recommend ASU, UND or the like. What does a four-year degree get you? Opportunity. Some airlines do not require one, especially at the regional level, but it will close doors for you at the major airline level if you do not have one. Why would you want that??
For students to make the decision to become a professional pilot they must understand that this industry is fickle and there are never any guarantees. I highly recommend that a student obtain a four-year degree in an unrelated field just in case the industry was to take a downturn you would then have another field of study to fall back on.
As far as what direction you should go, that is up to you. There is nothing wrong with obtaining your ratings and hours from a local FBO/school and then an instructor or cargo job. The different ‘academy’ programs simply offer another option with, perhaps, a faster timeline. But continue to ask lots of questions and talk to pilots who already fly for an airline. Chances are they will know of other folks who were in the same position as you.
On a final note, I'd like to stress that networking is incredibly important in this industry. You never know who you will meet along the way and they may be in a position to help in the future. This an extremely small industry. Believe me when I tell you that everyone knows everyone. Please remember to never, ever burn a bridge. Always be humble and respectful to everyone you meet. It just may turn out that someone you meet could be sitting across the interview table from you in the future. Make a point of talking to everyone you come into contact with. Ask questions and ask for advice. You may end up with a mentor. Pilots do love to brag (I mean talk) and they also love to help another pilot climbing the ladder.
I hope this has been of some help to you. Please remember, these are my personal opinions and I encourage you to get as many opinions as you possibly can. You must make your own choices, for your own reasons.
Warm Regards,
Lori Clark
www.flytheline.com
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